SPEAKER_00 1:17

You don't have to become fearless, you have to become available. People's hearts are so guarded. I'm less interested now in saying, why is this actor blocked? I'm more interested in asking, What are they protecting?

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Welcome, Katie Lee Marisha. I am so happy to have you.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Oh my goodness, I'm so happy to be here, Lydia.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

First of all, you are one of my heroes. I just want you to know to see how you work, to see how you support actors, to see how giving and kind and gorgeous you are with artists makes my heart happy. Because we want that in our business. We want to know that we have good people like you. So I want to start this masterclass with asking you, breathwork mistress, how can breath work help actors recover from either a rejection or disappointment from an audition or they're obsessing about an audition they didn't book? And how should they use breathwork to be able to get past those moments?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Let me just back up for a moment, because as you know, I've worn many hats over the years. Um, but I've spent the last 25 years extensively, you know, working alongside uh Mr. Moss, which has given me an extraordinary seat at the table. Um, you know, obviously watching actors, watching them struggle and break through and discover like what they're capable of. Um and then I I got into doing my my own stuff, which then brought about, you know, breath and so many other things, which I'm sure we'll get to talk about. But if the actor's instrument is the entire human being, how do we help that human being become more available so that the actor can be more free? So, so with that, I just want to answer your question now. Is that first of all, many actors kind of um haven't even finished the audition before they're already reviewing it, right? So, first thing is finish the audition before you start reviewing the audition. And many actors have a tendency to to walk out of an audition, even like in in Larry's class, you know, especially when we were in person. Um, and oh, why did I do that? And oh, they didn't laugh there, like they should have laughed. Oh, and you know, she she looked away, and maybe I should have done the second take differently. Like we just start going off, and then the the body can still be activated, even though the audition itself is finished. So I think that there needs to be like a conscious completion, you know, with um after you finish an audition. Like you before you begin an audition, you kind of step into the actor, you step into the character. And at the end of the audition, you have to step out of the character and really kind of um take a moment, feel your feet, notice your breathing. We walk around all day, like not really noticing our breathing and noticing our patterns, and so those patterns come up in auditions, you know, because that that heightened, like, I gotta get this job, I gotta get this job. And it's like, no, if you if you if you go more into it about the the the craft and understanding yourself, um it's I don't know, it's like notice your breathing. Let me get back to the answer because I have a tendency to wander off.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

No, no, this is really good. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

So like notice your breathing and then let the exhale like release. And I mean release, let it all go. Don't hold on to a little bit, let it all go and like shake your arms out, and you know, if you can walk around the block or you know, be if you can't go outside, like you know, step in time or walk around your apartment, just but move the energy through your body, right? So then after you've done that, you can then evaluate the audition, you know, ask yourself questions. Like like you can you can do something with was I prepared? Was I present? Was I listening? Did I make strong choices? Did I learn something that that I can take into the next one? Because then the booking is no longer your job. Once you've done the audition, you've completed the part that you control. So, I mean, we all know there can be a hundred reasons why someone else, you know, got that role, you know, that has absolutely nothing to do with whether you were talented enough. Right. You know, and it's and it's and it's easy for for us to say things, but it's when we're on the the receiving end is when it gets a little harder, right? But it's it's true. And if we could just take that and and and and be with it, you know, somebody else who got the job may have known the director, came in at the last moment, or maybe they've got a friend of a friend of a friend. Like, this is just how the business works. And they're not gonna call you and say, hey, you know, I'm really sorry you're super talented. You we have to know ourselves and belief, believe in ourselves. And so many of us have been um shut away from believing in ourselves. You know, we were told to be quiet when we were children, told me that's not what you think, or even it doesn't have to just be our family, you know, it could be, you know, teachers or things that happened, you know, outside in in groups, or anything could have, you know, altered how you feel or perceive yourself. So I think the the most important thing is that we have to believe in ourselves and our instrument. And like um Larry says many times in class, is that there is only one of you. So there is nobody on this earth that can do what you do. They may do it differently, but they're not doing you because they can't, you know, and that's probably why we've been together for so long, because of our belief systems. But, you know, when you do those things after you've come out of an audition and you've completed the part that you control, like you're not then um, you're not turning uncertainty into self-punishment, right? Um rejection generally hurts sometimes. In in we reject in many different places and it it hurts. But I I I don't think or don't believe in telling actors to pretend that it doesn't. It hurts. Why are we gonna freaking lie? Like, name the fucking LF Scoop, get that thing out.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

You go ahead and say how you want to say it, girl.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

You know, like and and that's the thing. People like pretend, like, you know, it's like no, like let's let's talk about what's in the room. This is this is what's coming up, let's talk about it. And so, like it's oh my god, especially if you really wanted something and you didn't get it, like that is oh my god, that's major disappointment. That's like shut my freaking doors, close the curtains, I am in the bed for two, maybe three, four days, who knows? And it's like, but when you you look at it from the you know, the lens that I was telling you, there becomes a difference between I didn't book the job and nobody wants me, I'm failing, I'm never going to work. You know what I mean? Because that's out of your control, right? We can't control anybody but ourselves, which is so disgustingly true. Um you know, we all know that. So it's just, yeah. Allow yourself to feel the disappointment, but not be it.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Yes, and full disclosure, the last couple of weekends I audited Larry's class and watched how you prepared the room for uh the scenes, that you really prepared the room before we started the event, sort of speak. And having everybody do breath work and come into a place of relaxation to feel your breath, to just center yourself, uh center your feet on the ground and just take it in, be present. That how you were guiding us was to make us present in what was going on and not focus on the future. You know, will I do good in the scene? Oh my god, my scene is gonna come up in the next hour, am I ready? But to get us to the place where we were present watching everybody. And and to, because I think that that is a really important component. And if we can practice that in the class, when we do a self-tape or when we are doing an audition, we can bring that same exercise into the room before we start so that we are present and understanding. One of the things that I always tell actors is the fact that you uh got a self-tape for an audition, or you got an audition means you already won. You won. Amen. Are doing it. You know, I were a few weeks ago, I was at a film festival talking to a very successful actor, and he was throwing away um a really big moment in his life. He said, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna nominate for Daytime ME, but it's not a big deal. And I went in on him and I said, No, sir, we're gonna stop right here. That was huge. That meant you won. You won already. You were nominated, you won. Whether you you took home the award, you won. You won how many actors submitted or or had their rep submit for it? And it's the same with an audition or self-tape, to take it seriously and to go, I'm gonna give it all. Um one of the things I was reminded of in uh you know, in observing the class was that it is not your job to focus on the outcome, but to be present in the now of it. What do you want now? Yeah, and so if you can uh because I really do think, and I, you know, I wish I knew this when I was a new actor, how important breath work is going back to knowing your body, how important it is. So if you can just because you have been with Larry a bazillion years, is and you're only two, um, is it's important um for you know, you're coming from a place of experience and being in the room week after week after week, seeing all this stuff and and then practicing the art of breath work.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

Well, it's funny you say the art of breath work because you know all all that I do is a mismatch of so many different things. You know, I'm a certified hypnotherapist and um Reiki master and two and just a whole slew of things, and um it's bringing those together and just going back to to to Larry's, you know, it's for me it's really important that people feel safe, and because I know how important it is for me, for me to be able to really like like show myself, I have to feel super damn safe. And so I think that that is what motivated me in regards, you know, to to Larry's space. Like I I started to realize because you know I've worked with him and had my ass kicked too, um, you know, so um it's it really started to occur to me that for myself, like if I if I hear the door open, it tear tears me away. You know, I I'm I'm very energetic, always have been, and I feel things, and it's like so I would get you know torn in different, it was like, ah, this is so irritating. It's very rude that people just come in. You know, this used to happen before I came, but then when I came, things changed because it's it's important, especially as an actor, you know, because for an actor to to really be able to use his instrument to become a character, first he has to know his instrument. He has to they have to know their instrument. Where do they get blocked? You know, is this, you know, I I use astrology, human design, um, meditation, um, acupuncture points. Sometimes I'll go into galactic astrology, depending on, you know, who, if it's a a client, in my group breath work, I always bring in the astrology of the day, and not because, oh, we're gonna learn astrology, but these are energies. Everything is energy, and so these are energies that are very prevalent today, so we're actually breathing with those. How can we use those energies to you know move through whatever blocks we have within us, and sometimes we don't even know we have blocks, you know. Like an I've seen it so many times. An actor clearly knows what the scene is about, clearly, their intelligence is not of question, they know what they have to do. None of that's in question, they just can't do it. So it's it's it's like an access.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:58

And you as an actor, I think you have to have access to to all of your parts. Um, and so that's you know, I didn't intend to do all of this that I've done, but I've always been interested in in energy, uh, I've all you know all astrology, like all of that stuff. And then, you know, I had my two kids, and but I still wanted to study, and so you know, I went off and continued studying, um, and you know, became a certified hypnotherapist because I wanted to be one, not particularly, but I wanted to understand the the mechanics of you know the the the mind. That's all I was doing. And then from the mind, you know, I went into Reiki, which is body, and then I went into acupuncture, which is you know, so all of these things I kind of squeeze together to get a total picture of the body. Yes, total picture, yes, and so like when when um and not just actors, when clients come, I'm not like you're this and you're that, and this is what you need to do. I look at the whole thing like where are their blockages, what happened? Can you know where from what they're telling me, like what they feel, I can actually see it in the chart, and then from there I'll know which acupuncture points I need to open. Where's a little blockage there? Send some Reiki, and so it's it's such a mismatch, but that's what got me into learning. You know, now when I sit with Larry, I see it from a different perspective. I'm not just Larry's assistant watching these actors. Um, and I actually don't think I've ever just been Larry's assistant watching these actors, to be honest with you, because there's something about being in a room, whether it's online or in person, I'm gonna get emotional. And seeing someone struggle. Like the person I was just talking about, they know, they know how the scene should go. They they have done their script analysis, freaking left, right, background, like they know their stuff. But you see them up there, they know what they have to do, and they can't do it. Larry has so much patience, which is another beautiful thing that I saw. He has actually being with him, has taught me patience because I'm a pretty impatient person. I'm a sad, I want it now, you know. He has really taught me patience, but to witness a human being break through from their chains is not something you do every day, and I can pretty much say that I do that every time he sits in cars. People just for some reason have a trust, and so it started to get me curious as to what stops someone, even though they know exactly what they needed to do. And of course, you know, I went on my own journey, that's how I found all these different modalities, is I was trying to heal myself, my inner child. Um, and she's still healing and but it's like it's awesome, and so it's really a matter of understanding yourself. Like, I think it's like 25 years observing actors for me, and then my own journey into the human being, and now these worlds are colliding. Like, I didn't really think about it at the time, I was just interested. But now I'm really seeing the worlds collide, and I'm seeing how how actors, you know, hold themselves back, and a lot of it is is um trust in themselves, surrendering to themselves. And you know, in the the breath work, that really does help the beginning of that trust and surrender. You gotta trust that we all have this inner guiding intelligence within us, you know. Sometimes we just know things, we don't know how we know, and and also you can, you know, when we when we cut ourselves, we don't have to sit there and tell the car heel, heel, heel. It just does it. That's our inner guiding intelligence, it just does it. So if we could just trust that what we feel, we feel, and just surrender into it and allow ourselves to just feel it. Could be joy, it could be sadness, it could be a whole freaking slew of things. But if we could just stop for a moment and just let it in and breathe through it, it releases. So this something that has held us back for years can be released just through the breath. Like our body holds on to everything, even if our mind says, Oh, I dealt with that. In therapy, yeah, your mind may have, but did you allow your body time to release it and let it go? Because that's what comes up in acting. It's our body, that's it's our whole instrument. And if your body's not free, then you're not gonna be able to, you know, be all of what the character's asking you for.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

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SPEAKER_00 26:23

Oh, number one. Because you can start it out with that.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

You gotta love you. And when you do, then you can trust. You know, watching uh the the few times that I've I've been in uh the presence of you and Larry in class, what he brings, that great teachers bring, and I'm including you in this, is love. He loves the actors. So that energy, we we we feel it. You know, when he is correcting, it is it is out of pure love. I want you to be the best you can be. I want you to own you, I need you to breathe, I need you to talk from a lower register, I need you to ground yourself, I need you to take in what is happening, be present now. And that is, you know, and I kept hearing that um uh this the last two weekends. That the first weekend, that was pretty much what he kept telling almost all the actors. I need you to breathe, I need you to ground yourself, I need you to go and speak from a deeper place, you're up here in your throat. You can't you can't get to where you want to go from where you are right now.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

And some actors don't know that that's where they're at, and you can't do anything about anything until you're aware of it. And then once you're aware, even then it may take a couple more years to hear it over and over again before it finally like sinks in, like you get that eureka moment, like, oh yeah, I need to do that. So people are ready when they're when they're ready.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

But um it's so important to be grounded and to see the transformation of every actor who got up to do their scene from the first week to the second week. There was a huge transformation. My daughter had asked me, what is the purpose of actors doing uh, you know, a small workshop? Because she had a friend who had taken Larry's class and and she was like, but it's just for you know a couple of uh a couple of days or four days, and what is it that they get out of it? And and my response was they get what they put in. And if and if they're open, even though it's just four days, when you're sitting with a master, your life can shift in four days. Your life can shift in an afternoon, but but you have to be open and let down your guards and go, okay, if I just get three things out of this workshop, it's gonna make me better than I was before.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

If you get one thing out of one way, I'm greedy.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

I'm greedy. I love it. I want more than one. I'm counting, I got this, I got this, I got this. You know, when I go to the store, I want the whole shopping cart and stuff, and that's how I feel with classes. I want, you know, even if I'm not taking it personally, I'm like, oh, I saw what he did. I saw what she oh my god, oh, that was good. Oh my god, you know, I'm inspired.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

I love you. It's so fascinating because um just watching, like it, it it's you get so much, you you see the mechanics of human beings and trying like getting into the the character and how he does it. And I believe that the difference between the first week and the second week, and we used to have literally four days in a row. I I was at I was at one of those yeah all over wild marathon, like you know, it's really about like shit or get off the pot. Do you know what I mean? Like, bring it, let's let's go. And Larry's very demanding. And I'm like, these guys have only had this the script for two weeks. He doesn't care, get to it. But that's how your technique, the more you do this craft, comes into play. And so the first week he's he's doing, or the first two days, he's he's doing what he's doing, and you know, setting people right because they haven't thought about the script enough, or you know, and but I feel like he's giving them permission.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

The first week, he's resetting um those bad behaviors that like a nervous system reset. You yeah, you gotta you gotta break that in order, you know, it's like a leg. If it's healed wrong, you gotta break it and reset it. And that that's what I saw this time around. I said, oh, he is cutting, he's cutting out uh uh uh this old wound. He's he's forcing uh the heat, you know, it's like I'm gonna rip the band-aid off of this puppy and it's gonna bleed and it might get pussy, but by the end of it, you are gonna be better.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Yes. Yeah, that's that's him. And then the second week, you know, people come back, and there really is something about permission, even just giving ourselves permission. It seems like, oh, that's so easy. Mm-mm. It's just not, you know, giving ourselves permission to just sit and breathe for five minutes without worrying about, oh, I gotta go put the thing on and do this and call that person back. No, all we need is five minutes a day to retrain like our whole nervous system. Sounds crazy, but after 30 days, things will change. And maybe you want to go up to 10 minutes because it's it's just retraining our our thought patterns, retraining our our nervous system, retraining like the whole thing, and that's what Larry's doing. It's like a quick stop. Nope. You need it's like a shock to the system sometimes, the way he can be quite confronting, but with a very gentle heart, you know, and it comes from from love. There's no behind it. It's really coming like he sees people, he's a good father.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

He's a good father. He may not have father children biologically.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

Oh, he wouldn't have the time.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

You see the father um heart in him.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Oh, totally. He's been fathering all these people and really giving people their power back. It's been stripped. It's, you know, at least that's what I see from my eyes and doing the work that I do. I'm like, oh my God, he's he's giving them their power back, like enabling them to be all of who they are without the crap that they've had piled on, you know, that because that's the only way we can get back to our true original, you know, blueprint is getting all this stuff off. And so, yeah, that's why I took a whole, not a whole different, you know, tract, but just going into the body. Why do we do things? You know, I just I literally just finished, completed my my PhD. Um, it's over with a friend right now being, you know, looked over. Um, and I hope to God that she doesn't send it back. I can tell you that. I am done with it. But it was I swear to God. Um, it's like, wow, five years. Uh I'm just, but it was, it's an integrative approach to healing. You know, like what happens when we stop looking at the human being um as a collection of separate parts. So it talks about, you know, metaphysics, hypnotherapy, meditation, breath work, Reiki, acupuncture, um, awareness, sound, music, astrology, yoga. I mean, it's, you know, all this somatic awareness because I I wanted to look at the the synergy of modalities in facilitating, you know, like um holistic transformation. And it's like, yeah, you can go talk therapy or you can go reiki or you can go, but it's like, you know, what are your what if you're doing all these things at once?

SPEAKER_02 35:54

It sounds oh crazy, but no, it doesn't, because what you it it doesn't, what you're saying it is so aligns with an actor who is seeking, right? So they're taking improv, they're taking uh um uh fencing, they're taking they're taking all all these, all these different uh parts to integrate them in who they want to be and want to do, right? If you really want to be a great actor, one who brings transformation to roles, the more uh different things that you know that you can interject, the the better it is. You know, and and the more and the more you know how to use it. So your instinct to say, you know, I'm I'm watching the acting, I'm doing that, but you know what? It you gotta have the body together and then going, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take this because we start with the mind, right? So the hypnosis, the taking the hypnosis is the mind to to start giving you uh the opportunity to get to the subconscious to say, hey, uh it you you may be trying to change up here, but you already have it in here. So we got to go deep in here to get it out, to then be able to free the mind. Because I don't think people, especially actors, we don't look at what is buried in us that keeps us from uh doing whatever. I was talking to a friend of mine who actually was the person who turned me on to Larry uh 20 some years ago, Sandy Brown. Shout out to Sandy Brown. And Sandy Brown would say, you gotta go to Larry's class, you gotta go to Larry's class. And so um, but we were talking about, you know, in acting classes, we're told to enroll in a character, but we're never taught to deroll from that character. And what you're talking about is I'm I'm and it and I don't see it as a mishmash. I see it intuitively as someone who's saying, I need that, you know, it's like you're you're I'm a I love cooking. And I love cooking from uh taste and instinct, and I think this would go right, or looking at the foods in the market and going, ooh, I want to do something with that. I don't, I don't work from recipes. I mean, I do if it's something that I'm trying to figure out and I don't know, I'll do it. But I organically just work from what I think will go well. And and in you talking about all the different uh classes and training that you've taken over the years, to me, it's like you're saying, I need a little bit of this, I need a lot of this, I need more of this, and I'm and now I'm putting it together because, and and again, I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'm just giving you back what I heard you say. And it is because I've been sitting with a master, I need to know how to be a master, and I can't if I don't understand all these things. You know, we're in Hollywood where everybody calls themselves the guru, the this, the that, and they've never really invested their time, their money to um get that PhD in this and get that master's in this, but yet they go, yeah, I am I'm this and I'm that. They're they're selling you a uh a marketing plan. What makes what makes Larry stand out. And and as you were talking about being an assistant, I see you may have been an assistant, but you've become a partner because you are just as integral in that class as Larry is, because if you did not bring your calmness and your skill set to say, okay, we're doing breath work right now. We're we're bringing it in, and and you you bring a little of the yang to his yin.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

Yeah, well, he always says that I'm the soul or something like that. But but but we've it didn't just happen.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

You guys mesh well, and and I see the partnership. You know, sometimes you're at you go to classes and you see the hierarchy, there's no hierarchy with you two.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

We have you know, we've talked about it a few times, like how does this even work, you know, because we have been 25 years and not always been in the same city, you know, for all these years. Um, but it just it just works. And um I was saying to Larry a few years ago now, it was like because we've both continued to work on ourselves, like he's never stopped working on himself. And being, you know, somebody younger than him and continue seeing him continue to work on himself gave me credence to continue working on myself. You know what I mean? Like, oh, what more is there? And and being an actor in his class, I didn't realize how important acting was for me. Um and or yes, for me. It's not like oh, I wanted to become a superstar. And no, I I ended up using it. I loved doing it. I didn't know why I loved doing it, but I also loved doing my job, and you know, and it ended up being um like therapy for me. It ended up being just kind of what I've talked about, about knowing the scene, understanding it like I can we can talk, I can talk you under the table with with this. I know it, but my body would not allow me to go places because it was remembering things, and so I had to start doing like somatic stuff because I'm at Aquarius Moon, Sagittarius. I'm I I have these, you know, curious, you know, I've always been curious, and especially about people, the mind, and why do people do things and what happened there, and why did this person get affected like that? But this person got affected like that when they're doing they're two different people, but they saw the exact same thing. And so it just led me to all these different understandings, and then always been interested in astrology, but I did all this other stuff, right? And then I started really getting into my chart and really looking at it, and I had a friend at the time that was an astrologer, and so for two, three years we would get on the phone practically every day and talk astrology, and I started to see that patterns where I was stopping myself were in the chart, you know, that that kind of showed that oh, I'd had this as a child, and also the um The Body Keeps the Score by um Bessel van der Koelk and Garbo Morte.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

What is that?

SPEAKER_00 43:47

What that's a book. Um she wrote a book, uh The Body Keeps the Score, and um which really changed the way I thought about the body. And Gabor Mate, his work really deepened my curiosity about adaptation and and protection. So then, like I say, I started to go in and I'd look at charts and and it's like, okay, so I'm less interested now in saying why is this actor blocked? I'm more interested in asking, what are they protecting? Because it goes deeper. Um, and it's like, you know, because what we're calling like a block may once have been a very intelligent adaptation. Like control may have served them, people pleasing may have served them, being invisible may have served, intellectualizing may have served. So uh disconnecting from certain feelings may have served them, and so we don't want to shame uh those protections or rip them away. We want to then question uh like does the do you need uh this protection in this particular moment? And it's uh the body recognizes the territory, but uh it doesn't matter how you slice and dice it, but the body recognizes long before our mind has even computed. At least that has been in my studies.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

Well, I've yeah, I agree. No, I agree. I want to go back to um your origin story. What got you into uh Larry's class? Um you uh because you started as an actor. What no? Tell me, I I I'm nosy, I want to know everything.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Oh, that's too funny. So I um I moved from New York to LA in 2000. I moved here with my ex-husband um now, husband at the time. We drove across country. I'd lived in in New York for like eight years, and we moved across the country. And I was looking for a job for him. And I called my aunt, who was a script supervisor, um, who was married to my ex-uncle, who um did special effects. So they were living in California. And so I called them and she's like, No, I don't really have anything for him, but I have something for you. I'm like, Oh, please, I have a job. I was in the in the um investment world, um, just looking after like four or five people, just running everything. Um Then um she was like no no no you you you you gotta go for this interview. I'm like no I'm good thanks and um and and she's like please just send in your stuff so I did send in my resume, didn't hear a damn thing, and we went out um this Wednesday night, I'll never forget it, because they'd called me and said, Can you come in for an interview tomorrow? This is at four o'clock in the afternoon on a Wednesday, asking me to come in for an interview tomorrow. Like you've had my thing for a week, you didn't think to I was not going. Simple as that. And um, but we happened to be going out with my old boss from New York, this little Israeli Udi. Shout out, Udi Laska. And um we went out to meet him in Marina Del Rey, and my husband at the time said, You know, you should tell Udi about it. I'm like, no. I went to the bathroom, I came back and sat down, and Udi's like, Oh, so you have this big opportunity tomorrow. You know, I was livid at my ex. Like, how why would you tell him? And um, but I'm really glad that he did because Udi looked at me and he's like, Well, you know, you're gonna go. And I was like, No, I'm not gonna go. They, you know, they called me at the last minute, expect me to just drop everything and you know, go in. And he literally leaned across the table and grabbed my hand, and he was like, Katie, do me a favor and do yourself a favor and go for this interview. I'm like, no, and he was just uh, you know, and he's let me finish. And he's like, Listen, you're the best assistant I have ever had. He's like, I'm never gonna find anyone like you that you're not for the investment world. So go and go for the interview. I left there, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go. I was still not going. I don't care what he said. But I slept on it and I woke up in the morning and I was like, you know what? I should just go. You know, I let go of what everybody else had said and what I should do, and I was just me. So I went for the interview, and lo and frickin' behold, I came out of that interview wanting this job so much. Um, just I just wanted the job. I've never wanted something so badly. Like I came out, I didn't even know who Larry was. I was only going because my aunt told me to like show up. I had no, you know, um no knowledge of anybody or anything in Hollywood. I just moved here. I yeah, it was just hilarious. And so I I'm asking him questions, and when he answers me, this is where my Sagittarian part comes in, you'll get this. Um and he answered my questions, and I'm like, huh, it sounds like you need a wife. And I was like, Oh shit, no, you didn't. Like, yeah, I did, yeah, I did. And I walked out of there, but the job sounded so exciting, and the he's telling me you wouldn't be doing the same thing every day. I'm in, you know, because monotony bores the hell out of me. And I gotta tell you, in 25 years, not one day has ever been the same still. Yeah, things just come up, and it just works. And there have been times where I wanted to get away, and but you know, just this morning, and I say it many, many times like, wow, I'm actually doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing. There are no mistakes, yes, none at all. Yes, and I was only hired for a year to make sure he got his book written, but you know, then I ended up taking over things, and we just we've definitely been together before, and we've talked about one as well. We've had past lives. There's no way that this can work the way that it does. Yeah, I'm highly irritating, and he puts up, he puts up with my sick humor, he puts up with a lot. I mean, I do too, but he does. And it just, I don't know, it's just I have been blessed. And it's it's it's allowed like you know, I had no intention of going and learning about breath or becoming a like things happen in life because they're supposed to happen. And it's it's beautiful for me because I'm I'm learning about the human instrument as I've been watching. I didn't even realize, but it all just kind of comes, and it's it it all boils down to the instrument, the acting instrument.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

So now you're working with him. What prompted you to take class?

SPEAKER_00 52:01

Oh, it's before I started organizing them. I'd only been with him a few months, and I actually moved to LA to become a producer. I wasn't doing acting anymore. It was like done. So when I interviewed with him, I was like, I'm not an actor, you know, I'm I'm here to produce, and clearly I have over these years. But I would we were at the Santa Monica Playhouse, and I was just down there kind of seeing how you know the rest of his life went, and you know, watching these classes, and this guy, Robert Mandon, shout out to you, Robert, got up to do a monologue from I Never Sang for My Father. I had to climb out of the seats because one, he like got me like right here, but two that I'd forgotten the love that I'd had for the stage and seeing him not as Robert Mandon, but playing this character, and how it was just a monologue, and how he just oh, he just delved in like deep within to his his his well of resources, and it just it blew me away, and I started sobbing. I had to get out because I I I could not handle the energy at that time of what I was feeling, what he was projecting, and what I was getting from it. You know, an actor can do what he does, but we're all sat in the room and we're we're being affected, but maybe differently because of different things that have happened. And oh my god, I I just couldn't. And I I ended up talking to Larry about it a few months ago. He said, a few months later, and he's do do it do the class. And I'm like, Yeah, I'm not as trained as do the class. And so I ended up I ended up doing it, and then that was my, you know, like, oh shit. Like one, I really do enjoy it. Two, I actually have a little bit of technique, I still need to work on it, but I was like, oh my god, yeah, but it helped me learn about me. The blocks that I had, you know, and then there were times when I would play um certain characters that I should have been able to just walk on and do because it was me. Do you know what I mean? Like, please, no acting required. That was when it was toughest. The closer to a character, the tougher for me, anyway, it was to play. So for me, those were blocks, those were things that my body and my mind had been told and now made absolute, so I couldn't kind of go through the gate. The gate was locked, so I had to find the keys to unlock these freaking gates, you know, and sometimes I had to go through a maze, you know what I mean, within myself to find these freaking keys that could unlock this part of me. And then I could drop down deeper so I could access the character a little more, you know. But it's those that were closest to me that were the hardest to get to. You know, it's getting easier the more I work on myself, the more access I I have. And it's yeah, but we have to work. We have to, we have to get the body, it's mind, mind, body, and spirit. You're mind, body, and soul.

SPEAKER_02 55:53

So let me ask you I I I want to ask a couple of questions on hypnosis. We don't talk about that enough. Um you know, you'll hear teachers say you should go to therapy, and I think therapy is good, but sometimes you need that extra, which to me is hypnosis, to take you under to uh go deep. Because in therapy, sometimes we, you know, it's this is my reliving. Yes. And we also it can also uh be detrimental, I think, sometimes. Um what uh having been the therapy, um sometimes you have people who can take everything apart in you, but they don't know how to put it back. So now you're walking with it's like having surgery and they never closed you back, and you're susceptible to infections and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Oh, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

Because they haven't the you you had a therapist who didn't know how to complete the process. Or um, you know, in this time we've got a lot of adult child adult children of alcoholics, we got a lot of alcoholics, we have a lot of 12A, 12-step people, and um they think that just going to a meeting is enough to shift them, and sometimes being in those meetings cause more harm than good. And I and and I think there's good in there, but having been in those meetings, I went, wait a minute, it's not for everyone, and some people use it as their new drug of choice, right? But for hypnosis, and please correct me if I am wrong, it seems to me that when you really utilize hypnosis in the proper way, it allows you to get past those blocks, get those blocks up and out in a more safer way. And I could be wrong, so that's my question to you.

SPEAKER_00 58:18

You're there. It's because hypnotherapy gives another way of thinking about your habitual beliefs and and and patterns. It doesn't like tell you like what's buried in your subconscious, but it helps them to become more aware of the internal messages that may be limiting their their choices. Um, and so to me, it's like I get what fascinates me is between what we consciously want and the patterns operating underneath them. So that's where like hypnotherapy can be so helpful to an actor. You still continue working on your your limiting beliefs, like you know, some people will give you mantras or you know, they'll give you the recording, you know, of the session so that you can redo the session and that you're replaying this like to your subconscious mind, because our subconscious is where everything, you know, lies. And so it's uh but I think taking it deeper is is better because you know I think uh how do I say this? I guess my training has influenced uh the way I think about hypnotherapy because of the patterns and the beliefs that can operate like underneath our our our um our conscious intentions. And so you know, like somewhere along the way you may have learned, oh, you know, don't be too loud, don't be too angry. Um they have nothing to do with acting, but they do have to do with you as a human. Like we went kind of backwards, they do have to do with you because if you can't access, then you know, shit out of luck. So hypnotherapy gives you a doorway into changing your limiting beliefs and your patterns, but again, you can't just use that. Oh, I'll do that once a week and I'll be alright. Right, right. You you gotta like you gotta do the the breath work, even if you freaking go online and find somebody that's doing breath work for 15 minutes, like do it. I don't care how it gets done, you know what I mean? Like, but but do it. You you you you have to, I mean, human beings, period, whether you're an actor or not, you should be doing these things, you know, because it's gonna it's gonna change your life, your your perspective, your friends, your job opportunities, when you're clearer and more in control of your vessel, and that's um also where like astrology comes in, because if you understand the energy that is within your chart, it's you know, you can use also use like hypnotherapy as a gateway with the astrology to, I mean, there's so many things that can be done with with hypnotherapy, but you are absolutely right, you know, it can definitely change the way you think about yourself, change your thought pattern, you know, like especially like Joe Dispenser, he talks about all the neurons and you know the patterns. And if you can change the way something fires, if you like we have the power to do that, we have that within ourselves, and yes, people don't believe that. You know, oh yeah, well, they can do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:14

Well, no, we can all do it, and the healing, the physical healing that your mind can uh cause. You know, we we focus on the physical breakdown that the mind can cause, but we don't really talk about the physical healing that the mind can can cause because we're now speaking different things out, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:41

Yes, yeah, and saying different things in here. You know, it's like I I do tell clients when they come up with negative stuff, I'm like, you know what? When you come up with a negative and you hear yourself in the moment, come up with three positives. It is so much harder to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

My daughter makes me if I say something negative to her, she says, I'm not receiving that. I need you to give me seven uh you decreed me.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:15

But it is so much harder to tell ourselves like the positive stuff, right? And you know, everything is connected, you meant like the heart math, and you know what what goes on here is is is settling in here, and our heart can change our thoughts, our thoughts can change our heart. So when we're putting in positive reinforcement, that's kind of sending a light down to our heart that's softening our our heart. Uh people's hearts are so guarded.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:49

Yes, you know what I mean, and sometimes guarded in the wrong way, right? We're we're not guarded in the toxicity of things, but we do get guarded in the healing of things. Yes, you know, I mean, because that's conditioning, right? As a little kid, you didn't come that way, but somewhere down the the road, you started uh being informed or misinformed of how to do things. Because of what you see, that's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

Even though your instincts say that's not right, but we override that instinct because that's what we've been taught to do. Yes, because we had these big giant adults telling us, you know, and we are literally formed, you know. They say in in hypnotherapy, by the time we're seven, like our whole pattern, our whole thing is is is formed. I actually think it's by five, but that's a whole nother thing. Um but it's our whole system is overridden by that time because we've been living in this world that adults are are, you know, driving the car, and even though we think something is not right, they're telling us it is, and so we have these different perceptions. And so it's it's about, I think everything in life is about coming back to oneself and and and softening our heart, dropping in more to ourselves, understanding what blocks us, what keeps us from from being all that we are, that then can turn around so that we can be all of the characters that we're supposed to be playing, you know? And surely if you're an actor, you're enjoying this. So I would think that one would want to like completely immerse themselves in a character, like they have that need, but they can't because they haven't learned about themselves completely.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

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SPEAKER_00 1:07:23

I think it's about a lot of it is about shaking, like shaking the character off. Like we said in the in the beginning, like, you know, once whether it's an audition or the end of your play for the night, is to you step into your character before you start. You have to step out of your character, using as you're coming out of your um, you know, your your costume, using that, like you're returning, you know, to yourself as you take off the the the clothing, saying goodbye, like putting the character to bed, so to speak. But literally, you're getting the character off of you. You you can say that you know, all the all the energy of the character like stays with the clothes for the night. I'll pick you back up. Like it really depends on what you feel is right, you know, within within yourself, that you have to take the character off, I believe. You know, especially sensitive ones, you gotta say goodbye, you gotta, you know, dis it's like you take the plug out of the wall, is like the the image that I just got. You gotta disconnect. And you know, and if that means that you have to sit for Five minutes and you know, kind of let the character like drain from you or be whisked away, like however you need to do it, but you cannot leave that dressing room as that character. You gotta let it go and thank the character. I think it's always very important to thank the character for allowing you to be the vessel that you know was used to have them come to life. And you know, it's it's energy. So you do have to put that energy to bed. I don't tell anybody I've done that. Now I've told thousands of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

No, it's wonderful. It reminds me, I I I recently saw I'm a big K-drama person. Um, and so I was watching a K-drama where this lawyer um uh couldn't get a job, he couldn't get arrested, he started his own law firm uh or law office, but he did it in an office that was um had a lot of energy for spirits to come in. And so in the show, he gets overtaken by these spirits who don't know why they died, how they died, and he becomes a tool to help them understand what happened and to also solve their case and take it to court. And then and then when they win, when it's over, then he says goodbye to them. They have a bonfire and they they have like like shamans who will write these prayers on this yellow paper, and then they burn it, and it's them saying goodbye, be well, have a good life. So as you were saying, I was like, Yeah, it's like that. It's like sending them off a ceremoniously, you know, sending them off in a beautiful way. Thank you, thank you for servicing me. I release you now, go in peace, you know. So I I I it it just occurred to me. It's I think that's a wonderful uh way to look at derolling, you know, uh, because it is it is a a piece that is new that or or or fairly new that most acting teachers really don't share with students how to you know, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:18

I never even thought about that. Um, but that's what I do like in my own practice when I'm when I'm acting. And then um you asked me how I want to make sure that that's what you asked me. How can breath work help an actor?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:34

Yes. So you uh so uh uh um before you say that, I I wanted to go back to you said five minutes a day of breath work for 30 days can transform.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:45

So can you Yeah, just literally, I mean, you can do it in the morning, like sat in bed, just inhaling through the nose and exhaling longer than the inhale. Some people are better with, oh, I need to be told inhale for four, exhale for eight. Some people are like, don't tell me how many I need to inhale because that sends my brain off and I don't know what the hell I'm doing. So that's why I would say like to inhale through the nose and exhale longer out the mouth. That literally like calms your system down. You can do it for a minute, you can go throughout the day just stopping, even when you're sat on the freaking toilet, just breathing, when you're in the shower. Like, you don't have to like, oh, I've got to sit here for five minutes. Even when you're driving in the car, just breathe deeply and you know, through the nose and exhale softly. You're not doing it to go into meditation, you're just doing it to calm your nervous system down. And the more that you do it, the stronger it becomes, the quicker access you have to it. So it's literally like just five minutes a day. Stood in the post office. I mean, you'll end up if you just do it in these little increments when you're not really doing anything else, you'll end up doing more than five minutes, you know. But I think it's good to sit for five minutes and just breathe.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

Set a timer in taking your breathwork class, that really helped me a lot. For those of you who are interested, Katie teaches an amazing breathwork class. She takes you through these fantastic exercises. So at the end, we'll give you the information. But um, in taking your class, even though I had taken some Alexander Technique classes, the breathwork class that you give for me really has made me more aware of breathing because as a kid I had asthma. So I tend uh, you know, I would tend to breathe just through my throat. And then that that was it, you know, it's like gasping for air. And you walking us through how to do breath work really helped me. One of the things I I want to ask you is what is the purpose of breathing in through your nose and breathing out through your mouth?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:39

Breathing through the nose warms and humidifies and filters incoming air. So nasal breathing intro-I did not know this. Thank you, notes. Nasal breathing introduces nitric oxide from the nasal passages into the inhaled air. Um, I mean, we're not gonna turn this into a physiology class, but so the longer the is that what it's saying? The longer unforced exhale is the useful piece um because it slows the breath and allows the exhalation to lengthen, which can then shift the body toward a calmer state. It it it literally goes into your your vagus nerve, and it's all to do with the um the cortisol um and all of that stuff. We all have a lot of um, oh that I remembered on my own. Look at me. Um got my pink broth panties on. But we we all like that's where a lot of our stuff comes from is that the we get those cortisol spikes, and that's been happening so much for people, you know, of late. But if we we're in control, right? We're always in control, and so if we can learn to to calm our system down, it's it's in um fight and flight. I don't know if this is answering the question, Lydia, but um fight, flight and freeze like fight is normally irritability, forcing, pushing, flight is uh racing thoughts, rushing lines, talking quickly, feeling desperate to get through it, and freeze is uh is blanking, shallow or held breath, feeling disconnected. Um and then you've got that people pleasing, reading the room constantly, changing yourself to get approval. Is that part of freezing? That's part of freezing, yeah. It's like a freeze or people please, right? Or fawns, you know, people pleasing or fawning. And so I I think in in the the neuroidynamic breath work, we get hit with those things at different moments because we're we're breathing, you know, in and out of the mouth. We're like, it's like it's like kundalini yoga, right? It's spiraling, those two snakes are spiraling up. And that's kind of what you're doing in in the breath work because we're breathing from the from the freaking, you know, base of us, like our spine. That's where we want the breath to really like come from. And as we're breathing in and out of the the mouth, that starts like like pushing it upwards, like the energy, and it starts like kind of going through you. And you know, some people kind of feel it automatically, you know, that start getting tingling and like, oh shit, what is this, you know? And it's just it's just energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:21

And it's it's also releasing the energy that was stuck, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

Yes, and the music helps do that too. The music and the the breath together really kind of like connect, help you drop out of out of this craziness up here and drop more into your body so that you can really allow your body to do what it needs to do. Because sometimes we think, oh, our body needs this, but it doesn't, you know, it needs to kind of do what it needs to do, and so I really think that the breath helps people kind of get out of their way and also deal with things and know that it's not going to last. You just have to keep breathing through it, and it changes very quickly, you know. Um, some people get tetany during breath work where, you know, like their hands become like claws or their whole body can become stiff, and it's actually a medical term, but quite frankly, I think it's awesome because that is showing you your energy. Like you want to think that we're not energy, feel that.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:40

We're energy and water, we're energy and water. How important breath and water is to our body, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:50

We have to flush stuff out, you know, with with with the water.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:55

With water and the breath. Yes, yes. That is uh uh something um uh in your class in in the uh and I and I keep coming to it because it really was transformational for me on a lot of levels, just doing the breath work. Um again, I I want to stress that I had taken Alexander Technique, uh, you know, a few classes, a few, you know, over a few years, but it didn't, it didn't sink in for me until I was doing the breath work on uh with you. And I gotta stress, it was with you. It wasn't just I'm gonna, you know, I love Anthony Robbins, and Anthony Robbins would say, you know, breathe and do that. And I and that did help me, but I it didn't um it wasn't a big enough dosage like your class was a big enough dosage to start shifting me, and that I use that whenever I'm feeling tense to go stop and we're just gonna breathe. We're gonna be we're just gonna breathe and let it out. And and I had learned this from a friend of mine. Yes, but but it was the breath in it that really spoke to me, that really kind of, ooh, a friend of mine would always say, you know, you gotta breathe from your butt. You gotta breathe all the way down to your butt. And so, and and and it so in your class, it really did uh help me to put it all together. You know, sometimes we get pieces of things from many places, and then someone speaks to you, and it all it all comes together, you know, and your class uh did that for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:00

You know what I'm also doing during the breath work is I'm doing Reiki for everybody, both Yesui and Holy Fire, because like you, I can be greedy, you know, gotta do both, but I'm also opening um acupuncture points. I guess I call it galactic acupuncture because I'm opening real acupuncture points, but with Reiki energy. And it's all most of the points I use, unless spirit like gives me another point to use. I see points. Um, and so I'll see what, like if they're giving me extra, I see where it is and I'll just open it. And then I look later and I'm like, oh shit, yeah, they did need that.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:39

And you're doing this through the Zoom class. Is this okay? Yeah, using distance reiki.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:45

Okay, girl, okay. Using um distance reiki. I've been doing it for years now. So at first it was like, oh, I don't know if this is working, but now I I just I don't know, it's just well, I can't do it without doing that because it really helps um one to bring the shen down, to bring the the you know, the qi kind of calm it. And it also opens up certain um meridians to help you breathe easier and deeper, because yeah, that's what we want. At least, you know, I'm like we gotta heal before, you know, we have to we have to feel to heal, and we to in order to heal, we have to feel, so let's feel it. But the Reiki energy is always very soft and it just opens, it's not like being ripping people apart. Some people don't even feel it, you know, but others do, depending on the day, how sensitive. But I really think it's important because that is an extra support for whoever's breathing, you know. Um, they're not doing it alone, and it's always very important for me, whether it's my classes or Larry's, to bring the class together. You know, like we are connected, you know. It was very easy when we were in a room together. We know we're all connected, we're all here. Um but we are still connected, like it's you know, it's like we we create this, you know, bubble kind of around us, and we're like in this world um for like four days. And it's it's it's important to to feel safe, um, but it's also important for actors to do the work. They've got to do the work, and it's not just learning about the craft, the craft, the craft. Learn about you. What what what stops you and what activates you, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

Right. It it's not only what is stopping you, but what is activating you and and keeping that journal, that emotional journal, so you can tap back into it and go, oh, this this is when I'm happy. This is when I'm frustrated because we use it in characters and it's not enough. I'm a big believer in writing things down. It is not enough to go, oh I remember it. No, you will not. Not in the middle of a crisis, you're gonna panic. We go back to flight or flight or flight or freeze when when we that if we have it readily available in a book that we can just write, you know. I was, you know, I was at so-and-so's funeral and I just got the laughs. I just started laughing. That gives you an understanding of how you're you're being wired, yeah, that maybe you see bad things and it it it brings up laughter.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:52

It's a cover, it's a cover you know, exactly, right? Exactly. So, so so so true. I can't stress enough. Like, I so agree with you in regards to the writing. I I say to people, you know, especially after the the breath work, to um to go and journal. Because, you know, yes, sometimes we we talk after breath and we say, you know, this happened or that happened. Um, but mostly people don't really want to talk after breath work. You know what I mean? They they want to go and and stay within themselves and you know, and and that's fine. Like, I'll open up the floor if people want to talk, they can talk. But I really think it's so important that people go and write about their experience because they may not remember everything all at once, you know, and so as they they write, it oh god, and this happened just after that, and you know, so that's very important. They can even take that into their therapist and and talk about it, you know. This came up, find out kind of where where where it came from. Um, and it's I'm also a huge person on talking to your body. I started doing this a couple of years ago because I I was going through something and I could not handle the energy that was going on in my body at all. I did not know what the hell to do with it. I could run, I could box, I could do, but it's it was still, I dug. It wasn't until I started writing, and I would cry when I write. I was like, I didn't know you felt like this. It was like I was with another person. Do you know what I mean? It's like this is me, and I'm feeling that, but I'm not feeling it. Why aren't I feeling it? And so I started talking to my heart. I I talked to my liver and my kidneys. I don't talk to them anymore. Um, no, no joking. But my heart, when I talked to it, and I just allowed it to write, and I didn't filter like I normally do. Oh, I don't want that written down. It was when I just wrote and wrote, it was like I was excavating. And it was so um healing because I got to find out things about myself that I didn't know things that I had hidden from myself because they were too painful to bring up, like the what my the revelation started coming up, yes, and I was like, damn, I didn't know you felt like this, and oh my god, and so it really opened a door, and it was like I had to just keep delving, like what is this connection, you know what I mean, that that that that stops us from doing certain things, and I I'm just mesmerized by it, and how people can overcome it, and you know, one person you can just tell them, you know what, breathe deeply through your nose and exhale longer, you're gonna be fine, and they are, you know what I mean. Other people need more, um, it it all depends. You know, Gabor Mate one of his things that I watched, uh what really hit home was this guy who's on the street, and they got talking to him, and they asked him, you know, basically like how long he'd been on the street and his childhood, and it turns out he had a childhood that many kids would like die for. You know, his parents brought him all the new stuff, and you know, he went here and he went there and blah blah blah blah. But his parents never uh spent time with him. And uh it really helped me see that um that it's uh everywhere. It doesn't necessarily it's abuse, right? And it doesn't necessarily have to be abuse uh as we've seen it or As we've come to know it. And just because somebody's life looks freaking amazing, you don't know what they've done to get here. And um and actors can think about that as uh you know, even with their characters. What did they do to get to this point? Like um, and uh we have to kind of there comes a time or a point in life uh where uh the stuff that happened to you happened, but uh there's nothing you can do to change it, it happened. But how you continue to deal with it and either uh unfold it and allow yourself to walk out of the costume that you've been in, you know, it it's really kind of up to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:49

But once and some people aren't even aware of it, yes, yes getting back to that, it just felt like everybody's got their stuff, and sometimes you gotta um trust that you can put that aside and God's gonna use it for good. I really believe that there's a there's a passage in Genesis that says, what the devil intended for evil, God will work out for good. It also says to count all things uh joy, even though they were horrible, to understand that out of that something good will come if you trust it. You know, there's um locusts when they come into the land and they devastate it, they also leave a film on the on the vegetation that they've devastated, which causes the whatever vegetation they destroyed, the next year it comes up bumper crops. So that, and and when you see fires, devastating fires up in the hills, us being in California, and we we experienced the fires, there's certain plants, native plants, that have a healing property that as soon as the fire is put out, they're starting to regenerate again. We need to and and yeah, and so it's not that we are immune from bad things, but it's how can we take those bad things and reframe them and and and make them work for us, you know, and going back to revealing stuff in you or working through stuff that you went through in your childhood, it is how do you come through it on the other side, you know, and and journaling is great. I did a one, I did a one-person show based on my childhood, and I was sharing this with a friend of mine that and and and that doing that taught me how to deroll because I was doing that show and I kept getting sick after the show because a lot of it was um going reliving it instead of understanding you go in it in a different way. You're not going back to the scene of the crime to be uh molested, arrested, beaten up, or abused, but you're going back in there to shine the light to help somebody else. And as soon as I learned how to do that, I stopped getting sick after every performance. You know, and I think as actors, that that's that that phrase that says, to know thyself. Yes. It's like as actors, we're learning who we are. We're the the purpose for acting classes is not only to give us technique, but to teach us about ourselves within those characters, right? And that's what Larry does brilliantly, I think. I think that he is such a wonderful guide to, okay, we're working on this character. How does it, how does it work with you? What is it about you that that aligns with that character? How how do you bring it? How do you bring it, you know, because you can't do something that you have no connection with. And I think you guys are really good in giving people scenes that allow them to have breakthroughs. Because going back to just this, I mean, I I saw it in other uh classes that I sat in uh with Larry, but in this one, you know, because this just happened, to really be able to see a breakthrough, to really be able to see a shift in the in the actor, taking them from um wanting to stay the teenager, wanting to stay and and finding their power as an adult. And he really fought for that for the for the actors. He really was like, I need you to speak to me as an adult. Because power comes from this, yes, yes, you know, not realizing I think that new actors don't know to trust process, and part of this is saying, hey, the process is important, you trusting it is important, and you loving it is important, and not giving up on yourself is really important because when you're new and you're going through uh those breakdowns in the class or you know, those hard um uh notes, you you know, because uh the watching Larry talk to uh the younger students the first day, I could see them going, you know, when they left, I was like, oh my God, he yelled at me and he told me, you know, say yes. And I'm not talking from my, you know, lower uh register and talking up here and I don't know what to do. You know, that whole thing to trust process and and having people like you and other uh experienced artists to say, just trust the process. There's there's a there's a reason why Larry works the way he does, because he knows that there's going to be a victory at the end of it. He knows that that student is going to have a breakthrough if they will just trust the process.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:00

Yes. The more access they have to themselves, the more access they have for the character.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:05

And tying in the breath. You know, I'm taking, I've been taking voice classes with Denise Woods, who is the best person in the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:16

Big shout out to Denise, she's in my uh booklet. And because and that's important also is is researching the teachers. Yes, you know, no, don't just you know, I I I send a booklet out, it's got many different resources in there and many different teachers, and somebody else too many teachers to look through. And it's like, well, there are many teachers because there's many people, you know. Some teachers are not going to work for some people, and uh and vice versa. So you have to do your own due diligence, and you know, if you feel something in your gut that's a no, you felt it before, don't go to that teacher. Yes. Whether somebody's, you know, um referred them, it was your friend, you got it from my booklet. If you research them and it doesn't feel good, don't go. But if you research them and you feel like a good vibe, go.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:14

You gotta feel safe. You have to feel it's it's not enough that they have a name or they have this reputation. You must feel safe. If you're delicate, do not go to somebody who's always beating you yelling, and that's part of their process. It's not that they're a bad teacher, it's just that's their process. And if that doesn't work for you, stay away from that.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:40

Yes, you know, just know thyself, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:43

Give yourself permission, going back to what you said. The permission to say that doesn't work for me, but thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:51

That is powerful, yes, it's powerful as a human being, but you know, as an actor, like knowing what works and what doesn't. I mean, that's you're halfway there. Do you know what I mean? Like you're you're you're halfway there. You don't have to become fearless, you have to become available.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:10

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:11

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:12

I love that. I love that. I what do you love about acting and creativity?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:21

Oh, there are endless opportunities, there's endless things you can come up with. Like, I mean, creativity, everybody's got a different creativity, you know. I and and and acting is a creativity. We have to be creative, we have to be creative in our choices, you know, the the stakes, you know, you made them high enough. And it's exciting, and then there's you know, the the the um the detective work within it. And then for for myself, like it's all of that, but creating a space that's that's safe, uh a space where people want to be and open up like into themselves. Um I I love what I do. I I I love it. I I love looking after Larry, I love looking after the actors, and they, you know, I just yeah, I think it's let's like just become more available to ourselves and to the characters. But by doing that, you gotta do work on yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:36

What do you want your legacy to be?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:38

Wow. Um today the answer's gonna be that I was fair and honest and I care about the actor. I want them to care about themselves. You know, um and I would like people to come and do some work with me. I'm not promising, you know, miracles. Um safe space. I think that will probably be one of my biggest legacies is creating a safe space.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:23

And how can the actor find you for breath work or and meditation in your classes? Because I don't do uh a few different things.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:34

I I do, um, but they're all clashing at the moment. My website is resonancerestructure.com and they can always reach me there. Or if you can't find that, just hit me up at Katie at Larry Moss and I'll send you information from there. Because, you know, all roads lead to to Rome, right? They all come, all the emails will come um in one place. Yeah, I'd love to see people at Breath Book. And you should be, I haven't seen you in a little bit. You should be coming along too. Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:13

You know, I I left the class going if Larry is teaching in no in uh November, in October, I'm in. Not in an audit, but I'm in in the class. Oh, I love it. Yeah, I I left out of there so jazz. It's like, I'm in, I'm in, let's do this. I'm in, I'm in. Thank you, sir, thank you. And I just want to say thank you for all you do, for how much you care, for how much you support artists as yourself, you know, and and and your generosity, your your care, your your um your embrace, because you embrace us, you know, and and from one artist to another, I'm embracing you back and telling you how much you mean to this community. For those of you who don't know her, you know her now, and how important you are.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:10

So thank you so much. Thank you for having me, and thank you for those words. You choked me up. I was like, I'm not going to. You spent half the freaking time here choking me up. Um, but it's been my pleasure, my absolute pleasure, and I love actors, they're crazy, and they're trying to they didn't create things, so I'm I'm all there.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:33

I am so artists are um uh uh unleashed, yes, unleashed, right? That's the word, unleashed.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:45

So it is good, it is just like open the doors and unleash your creative self. Like there's nothing that that we can do that we're not even aware of yet. But the more we unleash ourselves, the closer we become to you know, just being everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:03

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